Consultation on the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Tystiolaeth i’r Pwyllgor Plant, Pobl Ifanc ac Addysg ar gyfer craffu Cyfnod 1 Bil Plant (Diddymu Amddiffyniad Cosb Resymol) (Cymru)

Evidence submitted to the Children, Young People and Education Committee for Stage 1 scrutiny of the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

CADRP-634

CADRP-634

 

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Organisation: The Bar Council of England and Wales

1      The Bill’s general principles

1.1     Do you support the principles of the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill?

— Don't have a view

1.2     Please outline your reasons for your answer to question 1.1

(we would be grateful if you could keep your answer to around 1000 words)

No comment

1.3     Do you think there is a need for legislation to deliver what this Bill is trying to achieve?

(we would be grateful if you could keep your answer to around 1000 words)

No comment

2      The Bill’s implementation

2.1     Do you have any comments about any potential barriers to  implementing the Bill? If no, go to question 3.1

(we would be grateful if you could keep your answer to around 1000 words)

It is agreed that the National Assembly has competence to enact this legislation and in particular to make consequential amendments to the Children Act 2004 by virtue of the provisions of section 108 and Schedule 7B of the Government of Wales Act 2006 (as amended by the Wales Act 2017).

 

2.2     Do you think the Bill takes account of these potential barriers?

(we would be grateful if you could keep your answer to around 1000 words)

No comment

3      Unintended consequences

3.1     Do you think there are there any unintended consequences arising from the Bill? If no, go to question 4.1

(we would be grateful if you could keep your answer to around 1000 words)

No comment

4      Financial implications

4.1     Do you have any comments on the financial implications of the Bill (as set out in Part 2 of the Explanatory Memorandum)? If no, go to question 5.1

(we would be grateful if you could keep your answer to around 1000 words)

No comment

5      Other considerations

5.1     Do you have any other points you wish to raise about this Bill?

(we would be grateful if you could keep your answer to around 1000 words)

Whilst the Bill as drafted does achieve the intended result of extending the withdrawal of the defence of reasonable punishment to criminal and civil proceedings relating to battery, the National Assembly is invited to consider an alternative Clause 1 as follows: 

Abolition of the defence of reasonable punishment

(1) In relation to the offences specified in subsection (2), the battery of a child taking place in Wales cannot be justified on the grounds that it constituted reasonable punishment.

(2) The offences referred to in subsection (1) are –

(a) battery contrary to section 39 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 and

(b) battery contrary to common law.

(3) Battery of a child taking place in Wales cannot be justified in any civil proceedings on the ground that it constituted reasonable punishment.

(4) In Section 58 of the Children Act 2004 (c.31) (reasonable punishment) insert –

“(6) Subsections (2) and (3) above have effect subject to Section 1 of the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Act 2019 (abolition of defence to battery taking place in Wales)”.

The current law in England and Wales (via section 58 of the Children Act 2004) is that the defence of reasonable punishment is not available in criminal and civil proceedings which concern violence which amounts to actual bodily harm or more serious harm. All that is needed to achieve the purpose of the Bill is to extend that provision to battery which takes place in Wales, thereby abolishing the defence in respect of all forms of otherwise unlawful violence in Wales. That could be achieved by simply amending the Children Act. Alternatively, if there is additionally to be a Welsh-specific statute enacting this change in the law, it is not necessary (or appropriate) for that Act to seek to abolish a defence which does not in law exist (i.e. to offences of assault occasioning actual bodily harm or causing more serious harm).

Further the current draft clause 1 appears to create a new or enhanced offence amounting to administering corporal punishment, in order then to abolish the common law defence in respect of it. It is submitted that this over-complicates what is necessary to achieve the Bill’s purpose. The common law defence of reasonable punishment is only available in circumstances where a child is punished by its parent (and, via section 58 of the Children Act 2004, currently where that punishment constitutes no more than a battery). As drafted clause 1 might suggest that the prosecution has the burden of proving that the offence of violence amounted to corporal punishment in order for the defence to be disallowed.

The inclusion of both ‘reasonable punishment’ and ‘corporal punishment’, and the abolition of the former by reference to the latter, in the current clause 1 also adds a layer of complexity, and potential confusion, to the Bill which it is submitted is not necessary. 

If corporal punishment is to be retained in the Bill it is suggested that it should have the same meaning as in section 548 of the Education Act 1996, which abolishes corporal punishment in all schools in England and Wales.